In previous life, worked on large object-oriented Perl. There was a difference between good Perl and the Perl in messy scripts. Good Perl was nice to work in but required discipline to keep organized.

I wonder if there was an earlier point of Perl's demise. Perl 5 came out with flexible object-oriented features, but it took years for packages like Moose to come out and make it nice and usable.

I always thought one of the best and worst things about Perl was the fact that you could build something like Moose with it.

But the bad side was that by the time someone was clever enough to invent Moose, all sorts of other bespoke object systems had been invented and used in the meantime, and your CPAN dependencies used every single one of them.

I’ve shipped Perl code so yeah, I have

That's a difference without a distinction

Good luck getting any two people to agree on a sharp line between programming language and scripting language. Perl seems to swap sides depending on the year people are arguing about it.

In my experience those can't discern what's what are usually the ones who mainly did a bit of dabbling in either.

Assuming you've done more than dabbling, what's specifically the difference to you then?

For many people especially old timer sysadmins, anything interpreted at runtime is a script.

TBH, prior to perl6, perl was such a horrid inconsistent mess, it reeked of shell.

BASIC and Pascal are real general-purpose programming languages as well, but I don't know anyone who uses them for anything serious.

Entire enterprises ran/still run on Business BASIC and Delphi code. Billion-dollar fortunes have been made on such code. Those languages are used for serious things all the time.

* for new code

It's just an ASIC switch, not a SoC.

It's an east vs west thing.

More like west vs rest of the world. Its cold war round 2 but this time its the west that is starting to hide behind a iron/cyber wall.

lmao China is already in a cyber wall. What's wrong with building defenses if your opponent already has? What have they built the defenses for?

At the current rate the US will become an "even further east".

What does this even mean?

What it means is that in the future Europe will have to consider a Trumpist USA to be like a 21st Century version of a totalitarian Eastern Bloc or Soviet country: Orbanism, absurd projectionism, dangerous allies, the state demanding a share of businesses and directing sales and mergers, openly describing the EU (and now the UK) as not friends or even as enemies, trumped up prosecutions of political enemies, assuming that foreign surveillance is built into its products, etc.

Some of these things are already here.

*protectionism

You and I are content with it, but these standards were never really about our individual and immediate experiences. It's about concurrent capacity for the growing grid as a whole.

The grid must grow!

It's Bieber 6G Fever!

Good. Don't forget their incredibly affordable and attractive smartphones and the fact that they have almost completely captured the market for cellular transceiver chips used in USB mobile modems, both of which are excellent products for espionage and weaponization just like their cellular network equipment.

If secure phones were legal, we'd be treating the modem chip as part of the hostile network - the application processor would encrypt all data before sending it.

How can you deem Europe as not dependable based on what mostly amounts to studying two European languages? It's a continent of roughly 50 distinct nations, with almost as many languages and cultural distinctions, not to mention the huge political differences, even when in the same general ballpark, vastly overarching US political diversity (e.g. Danish Socialdemokratiet are something entirely else than the Swedish social democrats, who in turn are nothing like the German SPD).

Incidentally I'm reminded by how common this ignorant view of Europe and Europeans is with Americans, in how they either insist on or unfortunately misunderstand Europe as a single nation with near-homogeneity.

From the designers of the $20 deo stick.

At some point it won't matter that you run OpenWRT on it. Obvious case in point: at a certain point it doesn't matter that you run Linux instead of Windows on your Intel PC, because it'll still be subjected to Intel ME, Intel AMT, Intel SGX and god knows what else.

On a PC, Intel ME and the like can be accessed remotely only through an Intel NIC, which can be avoided by using a PCIe Ethernet card from another manufacturer, if the motherboard does not have such an interface on it. Even many of the Intel Ethernet interfaces are supposed to have the remote access disabled from the factory, but you cannot be certain about this.

A more serious problem is caused by the laptops having Intel WiFi, which is difficult to replace. With such a laptop one would have to disconnect the internal antennas and use an external WiFi dongle, to be sure that remote control is not possible.

At one point laptop wifi cards seemed to mostly be m.2 cards, which, while not usually trivial, were relatively feasible to swap out. Has that changed?

A lot of the time, they lock the slot to only their officially supported modules. Dell is rather notorious for doing that.

Infuriating.